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[Michael Card]

MG Magazine may be an admirable publication, but the T-ABC list is not the place to advertise it, or any other commercial activity.

Mike Card TC/8233

[Murray Arundell]

Is it really necessary to have this advertising forced up on us? I for one will definitely NOT be purchasing a copy, let alone subscribing........

Murray Arundell

[Michael Card]

Skip I accept your opinion and agree with your point about rare parts. [I was lucky enough to find a TC steering box bracket today - sounds like a small item, but they are nearly impossible to buy here in UK and my current rebuild is missing one, so I know what you are driving at.] I would also make a distinction between commercial activities and transactions, for-sale / wanted, between list members. Maybe it is not so easy to make that distinction. Certainly I would prefer to know about items for sale than not know. But don't we have a Classified area on the Web-site for advertisements? Could not advertising for magazines etc be placed in the Classifieds? I would be very happy to see them there. Just my opinion, and I only speak for myself, not for the list.
Best regards
Mike Card

Mike:

I for one dont happen to agree with you. If done in good taste, I myself dont have any objections. Some folks on this list are looking for parts etc. Are they not supposed to mention this at any time. What of those who might have a rare part that would be of iterest to others on this list. Should they keep it a secret from the listers. All things of interest regarding "T" types should be talked about on this list. This is not a religious endevor.

Happy Thanksgiving:

Skip Kelsey........................

[PMS GB Ltd]

Message text written by "Michael Card"
MG Magazine may be an admirable publication, but the T-ABC list is not the place to advertise it, or any other commercial activity.

Quite agree - otherwise I'd have advertised my UK MG T and MMM restoration services long ago!!!

NO seriously!!! - I too do believe the List should remain non commercial in its postings.

Clive Sherriff

[Bob and Carolyn Grunau]

Hi All,
Well I agree in principle on the "commercial activity". However, where do we draw the line?? I would like to advertise my limited special parts for TA, TB and TC cars on the T-ABCs Forever and MGs Autox email list. For example, oil filter spin-on adapters, for TC/early TD, stub axles, Alfin type drums, tapered halfshafts, rebuilt TC/TD gearbox synchros etc and MG T series art prints.

I look on this as a service to the members and as an extension of my MG obsession/hobby. I am certainly not a "commercial activity". Although my items are listed in the classifieds, I think most members do not review the classifieds on a regular basis and new members may not be aware of the classifieds advertisements.

Sooo, I would like to continue to make my products and services known to T-ABCs and MGs @ autox members by email. Or maybe, I just did??

Bob Grunau

[taterry@aol.com]

Bob and Greg, an occasional blurb on items or publications that help us maintain our hobby is very ok with me....all of us have a delete key and should use it instead of poping off on the list. I find that much more offensive that the occasional commercial!! With out you guys, Moss and Abingdon and the Home country vendors, these little cars would have been
crushed a long time ago.

Happy Holidays, you too Viv,

Terry

[KENNETH PORTER]

Bob:
You are not a business. Your "business" is a hobby that provides useful products to other hobbyists. Whatever profit you make enables other hobbyists to "profit" from your endeavors. MG Magazine is a commercial entity and should not be advertising on a private news group.
Ken TC 4147

[tony bruno]

Terry,

I wasn't sure which side of this debate I was on - but I think you hit the nail on the head. Well done.

Happy Turkey Day to all the colonists,

Tony

[Charles Hill]

I'm not too concerned about MG related ads appearing on the list. Thats the only way I found out about Bob Grunau's services. Considering how spread out the list is all over the globe, an MG service that is well known and in respected in one location may be totally unknown in other areas. And there is always the delete key.

I am more concerned about the ads that the new server appends to every email. It gets to be ridiculous when several copies of the ads appear in replies that quote the original messages. The delete key won't help here.

Charles Hill

[Bill Harkins]

> However, where do we draw the line?? I would like to advertise my limited special parts for TA, TB and TC cars on the T-ABCs Forever and MGs Autox email list. For example, oil filter spin-on adapters, for TC/early TD, stub axles, Alfin type drums, tapered halfshafts, rebuilt TC/TD gearbox synchros etc and MG T series art prints.

This is another one of those "much ado about nothing" topics. As many on the list know I have posted parts and books on eBay, and have found that about 98% of the material is sold. There must be some benefit to the subscribers. Since the Internet is becoming a major area of commerce, I don't see how one can object to posting lists of what members may be interested in.

Finally, for the anti-commercial crowd, there is a key directly to the right of the Enter key labled "Delete". If you hit that on any message it will go away far faster than throwing out your daily junk mail!

Bill Harkins
Fallbrook, CA

[Geoffrey WHEATLEY]

I don't disagree with your comments Bill, that is a very useful button! But I have to say"that I, Have never read Web site where so few people spend so much time in disagreement over such trivial matters.

Regards Geoff

[Keith and Maggie Black]

it is i can find a part or service i need without looking all over creation for the information. having it brought to this list , i can tuck it away in a folder for later reference. as long as a list member sends it, i think its great !! i have bought tons of stuff off ebay, i am very glad that format exist !!!

to thoes of you that are having problems with the VERY few ads that are placed here, the telly must drive you guys bonkers. i only wish the commercials on the telly were as easy to delete as thoes on this list.

[Geoffrey WHEATLEY]

Enough is enough, lets talk about something else than this never ending, day by day, inquest into selling or not selling on this web site, or any other for that mater. Any one like to talk about MG's for a change?

Regards Geoff