TC Tickford (Actually TA)

[Dave Osborn]

Didn't know TC's were available in the Tickford style
See Ebay item 330124564192
or
[url=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Collecto ... ckford-con]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Collecto ... dZViewItem

Dave Osborn

[Dave Osborn]

Just as I thought..........I think we'll find that is is either TA or TB and not 1949 either.
Dave Osborn

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Storms [mailto:TCStormer@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:34 PM
To: 'Dave Osborn'; 'T-ABC GROUP (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] TC Tickford

According to the "MG File, Model by Model", published in 2001 which lists every MG every made, no TC's were made in the Tickford style. I'm not sure if this is a one-off conversion of a TC into a Tickford or a car that was incorrectly registered as a 1949 or what. Not enough pictures or engine detail to make an educated guess. A search of "Crown Point Classics Antique Automobile Restoration" locates a web site of http://www.crownpointclassics.com/ , however it's only a single page with no pictures or details of prior car restorations.

Rick Storms

[Rick Storms]

According to the "MG File, Model by Model", published in 2001 which lists every MG every made, no TC's were made in the Tickford style. I'm not sure if this is a one-off conversion of a TC into a Tickford or a car that was incorrectly registered as a 1949 or what. Not enough pictures or engine detail to make an educated guess. A search of "Crown Point Classics Antique Automobile Restoration" locates a web site of http://www.crownpointclassics.com/, however it's only a single page with no pictures or details of prior car restorations.

Rick Storms

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dave Osborn
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:11 AM
To: T-ABC GROUP (E-mail)
Subject: [mg-tabc] TC Tickford

Didn't know TC's were available in the Tickford style
See Ebay item 330124564192
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Collecto ... dZViewItem

Dave Osborn

[Chip Old]

On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:10 -0400, Dave Osborn wrote:
> Didn't know TC's were available in the Tickford style
> See Ebay item 330124564192

It's hard to tell from the single photo, but there's something about the profile of the fenders and the width of the running board that makes me pretty sure that is a TA or TB, not a TC. To the best of my knowledge Salmons and Son never made a Tickford body for the TC, but I don't image it would be difficult to mount a TA/TB Tickford body on a TC chassis.

--
Chip Old
1948 M.G. TC
Cub Hill, Maryland, US
TC6710 XPAG7430
fold@bcpl.net

[Diecuts@aol.com]

According to legend, the TA/TB chassis was widened with outriggers to allow for the wider Tickford body.

After the war, and wanting a wider car for the American market, the Tickford chassis was used for the TC.

That is the only connection between Tickford and TCs that I am aware of .

So, it would be quite easy to have a Tickford body tub made, and mount it to a TC chassis.

However, what makes a Tickford unique is all the special pieces of chrome, (around 75 pcs or so) the 'Tickford hood' with a multitude of special brackets and clamps, and the fold out windshield, to name a few.

The car on ebay appears to have most of the correct bits such as the windshield, but until we see close ups of the firewall, and perhaps the interior, we will have to wait and see.

The bonnet on a tickford is about 2" longer than a TC, ask me how I know!! The TA factory firewall is modified to accomodate the extra length and is easy to spot if you know what to look at. I doubt if anyone would go to the trouble of this to make a copy of a TA or TB Tickford, but you never know.

Cheers, Lee Jacobsen TA2969 tickford

[Diecuts@aol.com]

Hi all,

The TC tickford is actually a TA Tickford. For the additional rarity, the lister has raised the 'buy it now price' from $60,000 to $70,000.

The lister needs to post some better pics.

Cheers,
Lee Jacobsen,
TA2969 tickford.

[vze4xyru]

There are several known TB Tickfords, too. Not all are TA-based.

I Emailed the owner of this car and the engine number appears to be XPAG 0720. This may be a transfused TA or a TB. The XPAG number is low enough to have the car be an original TB Tickford, possibly one of the last produced.

Dick Little, TA 1326

----- Original Message -----
From: diecuts@aol.com
To: fold@bcpl.net ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: ljacobsen@jacobsenindustries.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Tickford

According to legend, the TA/TB chassis was widened with outriggers to allow for the wider Tickford body.

After the war, and wanting a wider car for the American market, the Tickford chassis was used for the TC.

That is the only connection between Tickford and TCs that I am aware of .

So, it would be quite easy to have a Tickford body tub made, and mount it to a TC chassis.

However, what makes a Tickford unique is all the special pieces of chrome, (around 75 pcs or so) the 'Tickford hood' with a multitude of special brackets and clamps, and the fold out windshield, to name a few.

The car on ebay appears to have most of the correct bits such as the windshield, but until we see close ups of the firewall, and perhaps the interior, we will have to wait and see.

The bonnet on a tickford is about 2" longer than a TC, ask me how I know!! The TA factory firewall is modified to accomodate the extra length and is easy to spot if you know what to look at. I doubt if anyone would go to the trouble of this to make a copy of a TA or TB Tickford, but you never know.

Cheers,
Lee Jacobsen
TA2969 tickford

[ROGER FURNEAUX]

XPAG 720 was fitted to TB0467, built 18th. July '39. I have no record of it being a Tickford (but TB0465 & TB0469 were, and we know that the Newport Pagnall lists are not 100% accurate).
ocTagonally
TCRoger

> There are several known TB Tickfords, too. Not all are TA-based.
> I Emailed the owner of this car and the engine number appears to be XPAG 0720. This may be a transfused TA or a TB. The XPAG number is low enough to have the car be an original TB Tickford, possibly one of the last produced.

Dick Little, TA 1326

[Bill Hentzen]

A good day to you Dick!

This 'TC' Tickford looks to be a correct coach from the rather indistinct photos. As one of the four registrars of the MG TA/TB Tickford Registry along with Carlyle Merritt, Wiard Krook, Holland and Brian Rainbow, UK, this car could be unknown to our group and therefore of great interest! We have identified and located over 150 of the 309 or 320 of the TA and TB Tickfords built-No TC Tickfords were built.

I tried to reach the seller through the EBay site and was unable to? You said that you did reach the seller and he said XPAG 720. Roger is spot on, that is TB0476 and not a known Tickford.

May I impose on you for the email address and I will try to sort out what this car is. I will ask for the Salmons number which is on the reverse of the pram irons and other places, confirm the engine number, what is the chassis number and suggest he add clear photos of the dash, interior and engine compartment if he wishes to sell the car.

The red and black rear plate 4606 looks to be a historical type plate-is that an Illinois plate?

If any other of the tabc folks knows of this Tickford owner in Lamont, Illinois, or who is the owner of Crown Point Classics, all help and leads would be most appreciated! It is great fun tracking down these mystery Tickfords!

Cheers!
Bill Hentzen
Mequon WI
TB0437 Salmons 5308

[sandy sanders]

Bill; This is the latest that he sent to me.

I have totaly five MG- MPJG3119 for 1938 MGTA, 5347XPAG for MGTB, XPAG7290MGTC, XPAG9684 for MGTD and EGTF3529 for TF1500'
THE LIST ABOVE IS FROM THE PERSON THAT HAS THE TICKFORD FOR SALE. APPARENTLY HE PURCHASED 9 CARS FROM AN ESTATE. THAT IS WHAT HE TOLD ME. I HAVE ASKED HIM FOUR TIMES FOR THE NUMBER ON THE FRAME AND EACH TIME ALL HE SAYS IS THE XPAG-7290 WHICH IS NOW THE TC.
Sandy Sanders

A good day to you Dick!

This 'TC' Tickford looks to be a correct coach from the rather indistinct photos. As one of the four registrars of the MG TA/TB Tickford Registry along with Carlyle Merritt, Wiard Krook, Holland and Brian Rainbow, UK, this car could be unknown to our group and therefore of great interest! We have identified and located over 150 of the 309 or 320 of the TA and TB Tickfords built-No TC Tickfords were built.

I tried to reach the seller through the EBay site and was unable to? You said that you did reach the seller and he said XPAG 720. Roger is spot on, that is TB0476 and not a known Tickford.

May I impose on you for the email address and I will try to sort out what this car is. I will ask for the Salmons number which is on the reverse of the pram irons and other places, confirm the engine number, what is the chassis number and suggest he add clear photos of the dash, interior and engine compartment if he wishes to sell the car.

The red and black rear plate 4606 looks to be a historical type plate-is that an Illinois plate?

If any other of the tabc folks knows of this Tickford owner in Lamont, Illinois, or who is the owner of Crown Point Classics, all help and leads would be most appreciated! It is great fun tracking down these mystery Tickfords!

Cheers!
Bill Hentzen
Mequon WI
TB0437 Salmons 5308

[Clive Sherriff]

Fairly certain this is not true - the extra width in the TC body is achieved entirely by different wood framework along the bottom rail and rear quarters.

Clive

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----- Original Message -----
From: diecuts@aol.com
To: fold@bcpl.net ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: ljacobsen@jacobsenindustries.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Tickford

According to legend, the TA/TB chassis was widened with outriggers to allow for the wider Tickford body.

After the war, and wanting a wider car for the American market, the Tickford chassis was used for the TC.

That is the only connection between Tickford and TCs that I am aware of .

[Terry Horlick]

I just got a response from the guy. I asked him for information about
the TB. This is all I got:

From: Zilvinas Ramasauskas
Subject: tb

Dear Sir,
All MG is older restoration, in very good/not showroom/ condition.Now I have some conversation with Brits about TB, because its very rare car.

It sure looks like a scam and smells like a scam to me. IMHO, TH TC2285

[Terry Horlick]

Sorry the list software trimmed his e-mail address. It is interesting that he is on the same ISP as I am. If he responded to you could you please post the address he used for you.

here's the one he used on me:
ramasauskas@sbcglobal.net

Thanks, Terry Horlick TC2285

[Terry Horlick]

for anyone interested in following up on this the guy's epmail got trimmed by the list's software. Here it is:

ramasauskas@sbcglobal.net

Interesting it is on the same ISP I have. If you have been contacted by the guy could you check to see what e-mail he is using?

Thanks, Terry Horlick TC2285

[Terry Horlick]

I'll try again,

That's:
ramasauskas@sbcglobal.net

Terry

[Bill Hentzen]

A considerable thank you to all who did the detective work, but especially to Sandy Sanders, who did the interrogation and got the engine number-MPJG 3119 and that the car came from an estate with the other four T Types and 4 other cars.

Rang a bell, and the TA/ TB Tickford Registry records confirmed the car came from the estate of Bob Cleveland of Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin, who 'escaped to Wisconsin' from Chicago to run a resort in the mid '80s. Bob, a real fine gentleman, was most kind to show me the cars in March of 1983 in Chicago. The nine cars were transported to Northern Wisconsin and had been stored in a pole type building at the resort. Bob passed way in 2003 and the cars have been on the market since, to be sold as a package only.

TA3016 was done in a two tone light grey with a black top and light grey liner. Rugs were black with a red interior. The poor photo seems to show the effect of storage as it was a smart looking car in '83 that the photos I have from then show.

Details are: TA 3016, MPJG 3119, and Salmons 4639
I appreciate receiving the email address of the seller and will be in touch with him.

Again, many thanks from me and TA/TB Tickford Registry for all the interest and help! The Magic of MG!

Bill Hentzen
Mequon WI
TB0437 Salmons 5308

[Michael Goodman]

I restored the TA tickford that you are questioning in 1966. The original owner was Tad Hutchinson and the car was shown for several years in the Los Angeles area. The car won many trophies. I also restored the TF and the TD that Bob owned. The TC was restored by Harry Gravette. It is white. I think there was an MG A in the collection as well. Mike Goodman

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hentzen
To: 'mg-tabc'
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: [SPAM] [mg-tabc] TC Tickford I'D: TA3016


A considerable thank you to all who did the detective work, but especially
to Sandy Sanders, who did the interrogation and got the engine number-MPJG
3119 and that the car came from an estate with the other four T Types and 4
other cars.

Rang a bell, and the TA/ TB Tickford Registry records confirmed the car came
from the estate of Bob Cleveland of Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin, who 'escaped
to Wisconsin' from Chicago to run a resort in the mid '80s. Bob, a real fine
gentleman, was most kind to show me the cars in March of 1983 in Chicago.
The nine cars were transported to Northern Wisconsin and had been stored in
a pole type building at the resort. Bob passed way in 2003 and the cars have
been on the market since, to be sold as a package only.

TA3016 was done in a two tone light grey with a black top and light grey
liner. Rugs were black with a red interior. The poor photo seems to show the
effect of storage as it was a smart looking car in '83 that the photos I
have from then show.

Details are: TA 3016, MPJG 3119, and Salmons 4639

I appreciate receiving the email address of the seller and will be in touch
with him.

Again, many thanks from me and TA/TB Tickford Registry for all the interest
and help! The Magic of MG!

Bill Hentzen

Mequon WI

TB0437 Salmons 5308

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[Bill Hentzen]

Many thanks, Mike for the history! That a Tad Hutchinson owned the car explains the photo I have of the T.B.H. initials on the side of the door. Your restoration also explains the 'bus or truck' arrow turn signal lights on the car, as I remember on a visit buying the same lamp from you-that was deep in the last century!

Again, many thanks! The Magic of the MG family!

Bill
_____

From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Goodman
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:35 PM
To: Bill Hentzen; 'mg-tabc'
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mg-tabc] TC Tickford I'D: TA3016

I restored the TA tickford that you are questioning in 1966. The original owner was Tad Hutchinson and the car was shown for several years in the Los Angeles area. The car won many trophies. I also restored the TF and the TD that Bob owned. The TC was restored by Harry Gravette. It is white. I think there was an MG A in the collection as well.
Mike Goodman

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hentzen
To: 'mg-tabc'
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: [SPAM] [mg-tabc] TC Tickford I'D: TA3016

A considerable thank you to all who did the detective work, but especially to Sandy Sanders, who did the interrogation and got the engine number-MPJG 3119 and that the car came from an estate with the other four T Types and 4 other cars.

Rang a bell, and the TA/ TB Tickford Registry records confirmed the car came from the estate of Bob Cleveland of Lake Tomahawk, Wisconsin, who 'escaped to Wisconsin' from Chicago to run a resort in the mid '80s. Bob, a real fine gentleman, was most kind to show me the cars in March of 1983 in Chicago. The nine cars were transported to Northern Wisconsin and had been stored in a pole type building at the resort. Bob passed way in 2003 and the cars have been on the market since, to be sold as a package only.

TA3016 was done in a two tone light grey with a black top and light grey liner. Rugs were black with a red interior. The poor photo seems to show the effect of storage as it was a smart looking car in '83 that the photos I have from then show.

Details are: TA 3016, MPJG 3119, and Salmons 4639

I appreciate receiving the email address of the seller and will be in touch with him.

Again, many thanks from me and TA/TB Tickford Registry for all the interest and help! The Magic of MG!

Bill Hentzen
Mequon WI
TB0437 Salmons 5308

[Steve Simmons]

I realize this topic is over 16 years old, but I just ran into Tad Hutchinson's son. The wife and I were eating lunch on a restaurant patio and he saw our SA parked nearby. Somehow he knew it was ours and struck up a conversation. He said his father was banned from showing his cars in what I think was the Le Cercle Concours d'Elegance because he kept winning. Maybe he was exaggerating. The TA and a TF his dad also owned were apparently both perfect.