Fwd: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: TC drawing

[Jorolibb@aol.com]

Hello to all,

I too would like to add myself to the growing list of people interested in
obtaining this drawing of the TC body and the brake cable oilers. And
speaking of drawings, does anyone have either a scale drawing or full size
patterns for the floor boards for a TC?

John Libbert
TC 2138
J2 3118

[Charles Hill]

RE: TC floorboards:
I have a new set still in the box that I don't need - or if shipping
would be too much of a problem I could trace a paper pattern for you.

Charles Hill
Blue Springs, MO USA

[Geoffrey WHEATLEY]

Talking of Floor Boards, any one out there. In the US. Got a set for a
MGA?
had intended to make them but if available ready made, in decent
condition, why wear the saw out an/or lose a couple of fingers!

[JOHN PATTERSON-TC 7025]

Hi gang- I just looked at the Midget Series "TC" Maintenance and Lubrication Chart, the very last page in the manual, and it recommends "Duckham's "ZNOL" K.G. GREASE 16 EVERY 3000 MILES, 5000KM for the brake cables. I have always used grease at these fittings BUT very sparingly. Excessive grease will definitely cause problems.

John Patterson TC 7025

[Michael Card]

Hi all Interesting to read Carl's note about his oiler plates possibly being spot welded to the body . But Jack Stehr's later car had screws - see below. Carl, could it be that there really are wood-screws there, under the paint?

Viv James, Jack Stehr and I have exchanged some info on this matter in the last few days. Jack has a "pre-demolition" photo of the location on his TC7941, and is going to measure the location of the screw holes. Viv has two original body sides stored in his loft and is taking a photo of one and also taking dimensions. I have offered to put Viv's and Jack's photos and data into a single document [eg Word] together with my drawing of the pipe system and bracket (which is now on the site under Technical/Upgrades). Viv is happy with that. Jack will probably not have seen my reply to him yet, so I will not do this until I hear from him. Carl, if you have no objection, I'll could add your comments about TC/6756 to this summary document too?? Then we would have a record on the site of: (a) photos of two original body panels showing location of the screw holes where the plate was secured to the outside of the body tub, plus a note about possible spot welding on Carl's car, (b) plate location dimensions from three cars, (c) drawing of pipework, thread sizes etc. Hopefully that should put it to bed, except for the oil/grease matter ..... Regards to all Mike Card

[PADDY WILLMER]

Thanks, chaps, you have cheered me up no end, and she is visiting Potton tonite! That finishes that topic, so on with T chat. My original TC, TC 1730 which is now TA0448, but with 1730`s body, had handbrake oilers on it when I bought it in 1962, but they gradually parted company as interests of lightening came into being as my racing aspirations increased so I haven`t a clue how they fitted. However I have long experience with grouped nipples- oh, blimey, were back on that-! on my TB. The pipes are very narrow, and however short, should never be greased. Always use 140 oil in any oiler system, even the short TC one. Have a nice day, or night as this is World wide.
Paddy.

[PMS GB Ltd]

Interesting to read Carl's note about his oiler plates possibly being spot welded to the body . But Jack Stehr's later car had screws - see below. Carl, could it be that there really are wood-screws there, under the paint?

To add to the detail, I can confirm that these brackets on my original TB body, and other original bodies I have seen, were attached by plain countersunk wood screws.

Regards
Clive sherriff

[CFritz7001@aol.com]

Mike,

1. You're right, the bracket is NOT spot-welded to the panel, it IS held on by two slotted screws, which I'm NOW sure penetrate into the wood behind it. It took a bit of scraping to reveal the screw-heads underneath heaven only knows how many years of accumulated crud. (Betsy's not concours--she's a driver)

2. As for my observations; they're neither copyrighted nor infallible, so you're welcome to do with them as you will!! No suits or snide remarks allowed, however.

Regards,
Carl

[Ray McCrary]

Thanks, chaps, you have cheered me up no end, and she is visiting Potton tonite!

*Who is Potton? And what are your thoughts on that?

That finishes that topic, so on with T chat. My original TC, TC 1730 which is now TA0448, but with 1730`s body, had handbrake oilers on it when I bought it in 1962, but they gradually parted company as interests of lightening came into being as my racing aspirations increased so I haven`t a clue how they fitted. However I have long experience with grouped nipples-

*Not gonna touch THAT!

oh, blimey, were back on that-! on my TB. The pipes are very narrow, and however short,

*Don't know if I would share that..............

should never be greased.

*Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

Always use 140 oil in any oiler system, even the short TC one.

*But seriously, would not the 140 wt oil be superior to the grease? Grease tends to harden after a bit of time, and then you can't force more into the fitting. I used penetrating oil to clear out the clogged pipes in the TB.

Warmest Regards, Ray

[KENNETH PORTER]

Paddy:
I have been using Castrol synthetic grease in the hand brake oilers for the past three years. With no problems to date. Any thoughts on that?
Ken TC 4147

[Skip Burns]

Regarding oilers, I recently rebuilt the entire oiler system on my TB. The bracket that holds the oiler nipples is welded to the leading edge of the firewall; i.e., there are no wood screws. For the life of me, I can't imagine what wood (there is none)the screws would go into. The top weld is about 3/4" long with a spot weld located on the lower trailing edge of the bracket where it touches the firewall. Atop each of the brackets is a brass plate with lettering that identifies each of the nipples: one for the front trunnion, the rear trunnion and the brake cables. In the latter instance, the brass tubing leads to a connection located along side the frame about half-way between the beginning and end of the cable housing. Now to oil. The manual and other members have cautioned that only oil is to be used in the oiling system. Again, with apologies to my good friend Terry--rubbish. Grease technology has advanced by leaps and bounds since 1939 when the use of grease was forbidden, mainly because it hardened. I use Sta-Lube extreme pressure moly-grease which has low viscosity, provides better lubrication than oil, and doesn't harden. It flows almost like oil and the trunnions/ brake cables love it. BTW, for those thinking of rebuilding their system, the brass tubing can be purchased from any tubing outlet, but the US-made compression rings require some grinding in order to fit the nut that attaches to the nipple.

As before, I stand ready to receive the counter opinions of those who maintain that oil is the only lubrication for the TA/TB oiler system.

Cheers, Skip (TB 0304)

[VSavelli@aol.com]

The central chasis lubrication system on my TB is exactly as Skip describes. I have read that decades ago the grease that was used hardened in the brass lines causing clogged lines and lubrication starved trunnions and cables. Modern grease does not harden. When I restored my TB the brass lines were clogged solidly with hardened grease. After attempts to heat the brass and melt the grease proved inefficient, I replaced all brass lines and fittings. If you choose the latter, shop around for the brass. Prices for the same tubing ranged from $38 per 8 foot section all the way down to $8!

[Dean Jensen]

It has been interesting with the info on the oilers, I have one zerk that has been damaged, and I have been looking for years for a replacement. Now I know what I am looking for, does anyone on the list in the states have an extra BSF zerk that they would sell me, if so please let me know. I do not need the holder or the brass part, only the zerk. Regards
Dean Jensen

[Skip Burns]

For Dean Jensen: Dean, I believe I have some spare zerks in my kit that would fit your cable oiler. Suggest you E-mail me off line for details. Cheers,
Skip

[Bob Zone]

Gosh Skip
The term "zerk" is new to me - please give me a clue - I have the "oiler" bronzes on TC 5995 without anything attached. Is it part of the "lubrication assembly (#181-920) shown in the Moss listings?
Best regard
Bob Zone
Santa Fe

[Dean Jensen]

Bob
In my part of the county, a zerk is the part that the fitting on the grease gun goes onto, most of the time they screw in, and they come in different thread sizes, but they are all shaped the same, sort of cone shape with a ball in the center, and a little spring behind the ball to keep the grease from coming back out., to sum it up, this is the part you put the grease into.