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Off topic long shot.

Post by Ray White » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:29 pm

Sorry this is not strictly a TABC issue however as a TC owner and restorer I would hope to be allowed just one off topic request for information.

My late Dad, Ted White, was a life long MG enthusiast and during the 1950s owned a well worn M type. It is this particular midget - 2M 0715 - with a build date of September 1929 - that I would like to trace. It was red with black wings and holds important memories for me; in fact it was the first car I ever travelled in. Unfortunately, despite evidence that the car has been restored - therefore unlikely to have been scrapped - it seems to have disappeared.

Registered UW 5990 the M type was first owned by a Mr JR Andrews but no subsequent history is known until it was purchased by my Dad by which time, the M Type was very second hand... and the engine (MG493A) had suffered a seriously cracked block. I can remember my Dad - who was an engineer - "stitched" the crack with brass. He thought at the time the result looked too good to be painted over! Dad also replaced the bevel gears which drove the overhead camshaft via the vertical dynamo and fixed the notorious oil leak from that area with some clever machining and seals.

Meanwhile, in what was common practice in those days, my Grandfather (a cabinet maker) rebuilt the body with a "bob tail" and slab tank plus a fold flat screen - to give the car a more contemporary appearance!.

As a small child, I could squeeze into the little area behind the seats. On one holiday I remember the car broke down... When I was older I learned that the flywheel had come loose on Porlock Hill.! In an act of generosity and trust that would be unheard of today, the local garage owner agreed to my Dad using his workshop and tools on a Sunday to fix the car. The garage still exists as a classic car 'oily sanctuary'.

On another occasion I remember my Dad towing home an abandoned Morris Minor OHC as a spares car for the M type (they shared mechanicals) and an image that has stuck in my mind was seeing this donor car on it's side on the front garden!.

The arrival of my baby Brother saw the departure of the MG to be replaced by a more practical Morris 8. The MG acquired something of a legendary status over the years so, naturally, I would like to know if it has survived.? A photo of it at a VSCC trial in 1950 always held pride of place in my Parents home. I have the VSCC to thank for establishing Bisley, Surrey, as the venue. My thanks must also go to the MMM Register for their assistance in establishing some facts about UW 5990 including the fitting at some time of a replacement engine (MG779A).

Forward to 1980 and UW 5990 was photographed in a parade of historic MG cars travelling through Abingdon as part of the MG Golden Anniversary celebrations. The car appeared to have been restored with the correct body and windscreen reinstated. The M Type later featured in a classic car article about the anniversary.

( Older members of this forum will recall how in an act of needless vandalism the then Government Minister, Michael Edwards, announced the closure of the MG plant... THE VERY NEXT DAY!.
It was a decision he later admitted was probably mistaken.)


UW 5990 is still on the MMM Register. The owner is listed as a Mr John P Butt (Veterinary Surgeon)although It is believed the car may have changed hands in 1987 however nothing has been heard of it since.

I know it is. a long shot but the World of Classic MG cars is a small one and who knows what information our little gathering of like minded friends may produce?

Please either respond here or to:
raywhite750@btinternet.com

THANK YOU.
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Post by Ray White » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:31 am

Good news! I have found UW 5990. The car had been "missing" for 40 years. Hopefully I will be able to take some photos when Covid restrictions allow recreational travel.

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Post by timberstone » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:30 am

Thank you very much for the Provenance on this truly singular MG.
Please add all information for our further understanding of the many mechanical and technical transformations that these magnificent machines undergo during their lives.

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Post by Steve Simmons » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:58 am

That's amazing news, congratulations! Looking forward to hearing more about it.
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Post by frenchblatter » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:02 am

Myself and Chris Mumford (son of owner of Mumford Motors, Devon and Cornwall) rebuilt an M Type whilst apprentices at University Motors in the early 1960s. That was MG 23 reg number. It's still around.

I thought all M types had V shaped split screens, is the picture of your car before full restoration or did the later models have a one piece flat screen?
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Post by Rob Reilly » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:22 pm

From my 1958 printing of the Blower MG Manual.
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Post by Ray White » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:50 am

frenchblatter wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:02 am
Myself and Chris Mumford (son of owner of Mumford Motors, Devon and Cornwall) rebuilt an M Type whilst apprentices at University Motors in the early 1960s. That was MG 23 reg number. It's still around.

I thought all M types had V shaped split screens, is the picture of your car before full restoration or did the later models have a one piece flat screen?
Sorry for the delay in my reply but I have only just noticed your post and question. Yes, all M types had a curved split screen from new (as far as I know). The old competition photo shows the car as it would have been in my Dad's time. It may or may not have been my Grandfather (who rebuilt the body with a slab tank) who installed the flat screen - we cannot be sure but what I can confirm is that the ca has now been returned to factory spec with a split screen. Personally, I would have kept the flat folding screen with it's improved cabin space with the hood up.

The present owner has still not contacted me.

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Post by Ray White » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:32 am

Ray White wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:50 am
frenchblatter wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:02 am
Myself and Chris Mumford (son of owner of Mumford Motors, Devon and Cornwall) rebuilt an M Type whilst apprentices at University Motors in the early 1960s. That was MG 23 reg number. It's still around.

I thought all M types had V shaped split screens, is the picture of your car before full restoration or did the later models have a one piece flat screen?
Sorry for the delay in my reply but I have only just noticed your post and question. Yes, all M types had a curved split screen from new (as far as I know). The old competition photo shows the car as it would have been in my Dad's time. It may or may not have been my Grandfather (who rebuilt the body with a slab tank) who installed the flat screen - we cannot be sure but what I can confirm is that the car has now been returned to factory spec with a split screen. Personally, I would have kept the flat folding screen with it's improved cabin space with the hood up.

The present owner has still not contacted me.

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Post by frenchblatter » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:00 am

Ray, if I remember correctly the M type had two small flat screens joined in the centre to make a V shape. I don't think they were curved glass although the V shape made a curve, if you see what I mean.
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Post by Ray White » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:03 am

Hi Norman. I hope you and your car have not suffered any lasting harm from your short "flight" the other day?

Yes, I see what you mean. When I said curved I was referring to the top of the screen. It makes for a dreadfully claustrophobic cabin with the hood up. In fact anyone over average height would find it uncomfortable if the car is used as intended.

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